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Saturday, August 30, 2008

Comment Feedback from "Vegan Shoes?"

I dunno, comments lately (on my BlogSpot) have been getting weird.

I'm used to the "you're a hateful douchebag" comments, but sometimes I just don't get people...

So here are some comments I've gotten on my last post, "Vegan Shoes?":

"Most vegan shoe sites take care to mention that they're either fair trade or made in the USA and that very fact alone shows that people who adopt veganism have a much wider reaching awareness about their own personal impact on people, animals and the rest of the world outside of themselves.

I can understand resistance to accept that leather and sweatshops cause suffering and that there's simple alternatives to that way of living. As Americans we're brought up to be at least marginally isolationist and blind to social problems, especially when it's linked to eating habits or capitalism. What I don't understand though, is dullwitted humor directed at people who are intelligent enough to accept this and want to do something about it."


Okay, I really wasn't trying to make fun of VEGAN SHOE STORES, for the most part. I was making fun of PETA and the fact that a majority of their "best vegan shoe stores" weren't actually vegan. And the few that were, I barely made fun of. Oh, this one has a stupid name. And this one goes a little over-the-top with veganness. And one of them embraces pleather at a level no sane entity should.

But expanding my little diatribe to American isolationism?

Fact is, you just don't need to call them "vegan shoes". 90% of the time, you can just call them "shoes". A very small minority of shoes are not animal-friendly and contain leather. If you're worried enough to consider the veganness of your shoes, then you're wearing FAKE leather and want the fashion sense of leather without the guilt of killing animals.

And hey - you can call my humor "obscene", "evil", "dark" or even "ignorant" - but "dullwitted" just won't fly. Being evil doesn't make me dumb. And just because you don't agree with the punchline doesn't make me stupid for telling the joke. It sometimes makes YOU stupid for not getting it.

"live in the darkness and torture that all those animals go through


Well, at least you admitted what factory farming really is.

Too bad you're too ridiculous to have a normal human reaction to the suffering you're completely aware of though."


"Admitted what factory farming is"? Is there a human left on the planet who doesn't know that animals destined to be food or clothes don't tend to lead happy and fulfilling lives in the great outdoors? I was talking about how emo vegans empathize with the animals rather than just sympathize. And I believe I DID have a "normal human reaction"; I didn't fucking care. We're humans and we're better than the rest of the animals. Do you know why we're better than cows who get turned into leather to make some bitchin' shoes? Because WE WEAR SHOES. Do you know why we're better than the animals we slaughter to feast upon for supper? Because we have carnivore teeth in our mouths. That's right - we have some of the same teeth that wolves have and are specialized for tearing up the meaty goodness. If wolves have the ability to round up tasty deer and breed them in captivity instead of hunting for them and chasing them down, don't you think they would?

Well we do that. Because we're that good. We're better than those animals, so we get to eat them like we're supposed to.

"If I had as much time as you clearly have on your hands and I chose to spend it ranting about vegetarians, I'd probably shoot myself, because my life really would be THAT empty."

followed by

"Great Comment! That is precisely how I feel about this poster! I only read it to see how much more stupid he is getting."

What makes this hilarious to me is that I wouldn't have to write this crap if PETA didn't have the time on their hands to write about it in the first place. If PETA seriously thinks that the best way to obtain their objectives is to create a nonsensical list of the best places to buy vegan shoes and Target is on the list, which is in NO way a vegan-friendly place with their leather, meat, cheese and industrial meat-based kitchen tools - then SOMEONE should take the time to fight back against THEIR idiocy.

PETA is in the wrong. PETA is where you'll find the true stupidity. My making fun of them and pointing out these idiocies does not make me stupid and does not make my life empty.

And I'd single people out, but for SOME reason, every one of those four comments was posted by Anonymous. At least I have the courage to write this stuff and put my name on it.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

if you studied about human evolution, history, you'd separate modern ethics from our artifical concept of "nature". Tom Regen makes a very good argument for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTNNJspZXA4

AaronBSam said...

And since definitely more than 90% of the populous has NOT studied human evolution and history to the elite point of being able to pompously "separate modern ethics from our artifical [sic] concept of 'nature'" - then my argument still makes more sense and is the logical conclusion. We live in a modern society where the majority decides what is ethical and what is not - not the select few who think they have the better answer and believe they are better than the rest of us because of it.

Anonymous said...

Awesome, he rants himself into a nonsense corner once again. I was directed to this site from a site that suggests the most cluelessly funny blogs. As I go through past posts, and they crack me up more and more. On one hand though, its terrifying there people out there who are future Michael Savages and Dr. Lauras.
This poster would like a black and white world. Eat meat and conform, nobody likes non conformers, only think if you can think like me.
Why am I one of the anon posters? Ya don't know me so what does it matter? Even if you googled my user name, it would tell you nothing about me. Anonymous is the same damn difference.

Anonymous said...

all primates have sharp canines, including many lesser primates, gorillas, and some species of baboon which eat herbivorous diets. this is akin to a young earth creationist using the banana to "prove" their own particular take on how human beings fit into the universe. it would have literally taken a 5 minute google search to debunk this.

Anonymous said...

We live in a modern society where the majority decides what is ethical and what is not - not the select few who think they have the better answer and believe they are better than the rest of us because of it.

Your rants make absolutely no sense. The majority dictates what is ethical and what is not? So if a majority believes boiling cats to death is acceptable, you're saying it is ethical?

I don't think you have a very good grasp on ethics and maybe you should stop "ranting" until you hit up amazon for some used books about it.

Anonymous said...

We live in a modern society where the majority decides what is ethical and what is not - not the select few who think they have the better answer and believe they are better than the rest of us because of it.

By the way, excellent job on also providing a weak and stupid defense for subjugation of blacks, slavery, child brides, muslims executing women for adultery, and torturing dogs to death in korea because they believe it makes them taste better.

It can be applied to anything you want and has been throughout history, just as long as the subject of abuse or subjugation is weaker than you are and unable to fight back for their own wellbeing.

Anonymous said...

I'm off from work for labor day and I notice the writer of the blog still hasn't answered anything, despite making this public for, I guess, feedback. That's kind of one of the primary functions of a public blog, I'd think.

http://www.journalisted.com/article?id=795069

aaronbsam, since you've hamfistedly defended cultural relativism as the template for ethics, I'd love to see what you have to say about the age-old tradition Pakistani tradition of burying women who get out of line. Their society deems it reasonable, so surely it's ethical, right?

And since I'm already here waiting to go out for an afternoon of drinking and I noticed you've mentioned this practice with gluttonous relish, why don't you take a look at what asian dog consumption is really like and take a stab at defending it again, you insufferable idiot.

http://www.captiveanimals.org/news/2001/korea.htm

AaronBSam said...

I'd love to see what you have to say about the age-old tradition Pakistani tradition of burying women who get out of line. Their society deems it reasonable, so surely it's ethical, right?

Geez, you're really uppity about such a subjective term. Ethics isn't black-and-white, good-and-evil, you dolt. THEY think it's perfectly ethical. Just because YOU do not think it is ethical doesn't mean that becomes the universal truth. And yes, MOST people think it's unethical - but I live in America where I have the freedom of speech to say "I don't think that's ethical" whereas they do not have that freedom. However, they have their right to believe they're doing an ethical thing by killing off women who drive a car. I would say they don't have the right to DO so and KILL that woman, but it's THEIR law. America has a law against killing female motorists and they do not.

why don't you take a look at what asian dog consumption is really like and take a stab at defending it again, you insufferable idiot.

Again, you're the insufferable idiot because I was in favor of having Korea make dogs a form of livestock so that their slaughter and processing could be regulated and cleaned up. I've never said that I'm in favor of torturing animals. I'm not. But they're correct that having an overpopulation of an animal should mean being able to thin the herd and eat the meat. Since it's still done underground, it's not regulated and you get torture and unclean practices that threaten human health as well.

Quit trying to make me out to be an idiot and a monster when all I want is to help solve two problems at once by reducing the overpopulation of feral animals and helping to feed the poor.

Anonymous said...

Ethics isn't black-and-white, good-and-evil, you dolt. THEY think it's perfectly ethical. Just because YOU do not think it is ethical doesn't mean that becomes the universal truth.

Hahaha.

So you're saying that the murder of teenaged women in an oppressive, gynecophobic culture that treats them like slaves isn't objectively evil.

You're a fat, sexist clown, sir.

Anonymous said...

May I also add before I stop wasting my time on someone this ignorant and childish that you'd better thank your lucky stars that you have the luxury of sitting back in a first world nation and eating fast food while being an apologist for the suffering of the rest of humanity. If there were any justice in the universe, you'd have been born a muslim woman or a dog in korea.

Anonymous said...

I've never said that I'm in favor of torturing animals. I'm not. But they're correct that having an overpopulation of an animal should mean being able to thin the herd and eat the meat.

actually if you read anything about this before forming an "opinion" on it, dog slaughterers are viewed as the lowest social rung of korean life, even lower than prostitutes. the people who do this feel as though they have to keep doing it because classism from birth forces them into it. additionally almost no one besides the old view dog meat in any positive way. koreans have their own animal rights groups.

and as to the overpopulation bullshit, slaughterers steal other peoples' pets epidemically or breed them themselves. there are photos of dogs crammed miserably into cages that still have their collars on. there is no "overpopulation" that's feeding the dog meat market.

more utter crap.

Anonymous said...

Dogs are killed for purported medicinal purposes and are eaten traditionally only by adult men because it's believed that dog meat magically raises virility. That's right, they don't beat and slice open terrified pets because they're hungry. They murder them because they think it will give them an erection.

Kara said...

Guess what? The world is a cold, cruel and horrible place. As I type this, and as you read it, thousands of baby animals are having their throats slit, their air-way cut off, and their bones broken. And it's being done by other animals. Because as much as you would like to see animals as defenseless and hopeless miracles that need to be protected, they would like to see a baby deer with it's stomach and spleen spilled across the forest floor. Cows don't care about you, dolphins are not magically attuned to autistic children, and monkeys don't want you to hold them close. In this world it is survival of the fittest. And survival means killing, pillaging, and sometimes doing not-so-nice things. But it's because of these advancements that you are able to live your comfortable life, nestled in your dorm room or loft surrounded by your hemp lotions and soy lattes while complaining about how cruel we are as a society and how we should, "like totally evolve." We came, we saw, we conquered. There is no, "Oh but we feel really bad about it so we're going to run out and buy plastic shoes and eat twigs."

Kara said...

Also, ethics is objectionable. Just because you see the murder and rape of a person wrong, doesn't mean every single person in the world has too. Does it offend you? Sure. Does it offend Steven in Iraq? No. So stop trying to force your fucking new-age ideals on the rest of humanity and go spark a bowl you hippie.

Anonymous said...

I personally hope you get raped to death by someone who feels that way, kara. How do you feel about that?

Anonymous said...

the worst consequence of a society that allows fat, opinionated manchildren to survive is having them come on the internet believing they have some startling new insight to offer people who are better, more mature, and smarter than they are.

Anonymous said...

They're calling plastic shoes "vegan". To suggest that people who do that are "better, more mature, and smarter" than the poster is ridiculous.

Amen to someone who's willing to stand up to these idiots in PETA!

Anonymous said...

I'm not even a vegan, I just happen to think this blog is so stupid, factually dismissive, and arrogant that I'm going to make fun of it before forgetting about it entirely.

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